Serrian 14/08 19:07 Thank you all for coming. Ms Monster and I will be co-leading this discussion on "BDSM: Fantasy vs Reality" this evening.

 

Serrian 14/08 19:07 This will mostly be an open discussion, so feel free to use our talking points as diving boards and share your thoughts and opinions on the topics.

 

Ms Monster 14/08 19:09 So we all know how BDSM is treated by film, literature and the media. Tonight, we are going to explore a little bit of that compared to real life and our experiences within the community.

 

Ms Monster 14/08 19:11 I suppose the biggest offender we all have in mind is, you guessed it, the 50 Shades of Grey film and book series.

 

little dragon 14/08 19:11 Definitely

 

desphiria 14/08 19:12 Yuuupp

 

Serrian 14/08 19:12 I think we can all agree that this is not a healthy look at the BDSM lifestyle. Does anyone have any thoughts as to why?

 

desphiria 14/08 19:12 Because it's about abuse and manipulation

 

Myella 14/08 19:12 New to lifestyle, going in blind

 

desphiria 14/08 19:13 She was forced into it too.

 

little dragon 14/08 19:13 There is no agreement it's forced

 

Myella 14/08 19:13 Unhealthy

 

Lionheartedsub 14/08 19:14 Pedophile activities

 

Ms Monster 14/08 19:14 I feel that this series is not really about BDSM at all. I think this novel reflects an abusive relationship that masquerades itself as a lifestyle story. I believe that this series is harmful to the reputation of our community and will only result in people getting hurt from trying to emulate what is being represented.

 

Lionheartedsub 14/08 19:15 Agreed

 

Ms Monster 14/08 19:15 Can anyone tell me some of the more harmful aspects of the series and why it is wrong?

 

desphiria 14/08 19:16 uhhh...

 

Ms Monster 14/08 19:16 Myella No worries. We still encourage you to participate as you can. We pride ourselves on being a learning and teaching site. Please ask any questions you may have, at any time.

 

desphiria 14/08 19:16 Apparently the lady tries to kill another lady for trying to take her man? At least, that's what the movies made it seem like.

 

desphiria 14/08 19:17 What was it? 50 shades darker? I saw the trailer though so, not even sure what really happened to be honest.

 

Ms Monster 14/08 19:17 Sure, that is a particularly negative trope that could affect our community.

 

little dragon 14/08 19:17 I didn't watch much as I didn't agree with it

 

Lionheartedsub 14/08 19:17 For me it was the head games, the mind heals slower than the body the threat if abandonment for example

 

Serrian 14/08 19:18 There were definite indoctrination techniques used in the story.

 

Myella 14/08 19:18 He stalked her

 

Myella 14/08 19:18 no freedom

 

Myella 14/08 19:18 No trust

 

Ms Monster 14/08 19:19 I am speaking more toward practice. The contracts represented within do not remotely reflect real life. Also, the main Character of Christian Grey is a serial abuser, stalker and emotional manipulator. None of these things are true to what one can expect in a real life BDSM relationship or lifestyle.

 

Myella 14/08 19:19 I think she was more afraid of him than anything and had no real way out

 

Ms Monster 14/08 19:20 In fact, I would strongly recommend that should one encounter any of these traits in a supposed Dom/me, that they should run for the hills.

 

Ms Monster 14/08 19:20 Can anyone tell me what traits they have seen in good, real life Dominants?

 

Myella 14/08 19:21 Nuturing

 

Ms Monster 14/08 19:21 Myella Those are all wonderful points! Thank you.

 

Ms Monster 14/08 19:21 Myella Nurturing is certainly a trait that I appreciate in a Dom. My own is very much the nurturing type.

 

Serrian 14/08 19:21 Patience, understanding, respecting boundaries

 

desphiria 14/08 19:22 Caring and protective?

 

JamesWill68 14/08 19:22 Strong communication skills

 

Ms Monster 14/08 19:22 desphiria Also great attributes

 

little dragon 14/08 19:22 Firm but understanding flexible

 

Lionheartedsub 14/08 19:22 Caring, cautious, nuturing and takes time to get to know a submissive with communication front and center

 

Ms Monster 14/08 19:23 JamesWill68 Awesome! Good communication is a must in this lifestyle.

 

Myella 14/08 19:23 Not forceful and communicates well

 

little dragon 14/08 19:23 Complete transparency

 

Lionheartedsub 14/08 19:23 Willing to admit mistakes

 

Serrian 14/08 19:24 Anyone else?

 

Wryth 14/08 19:24 Lionheartedsub , yes, openness to feedback

 

JamesWill68 14/08 19:24 Puts the goals and needs of his sub into the everyday structure and protocals that helps strengthen the Dynamic

 

Ms Monster 14/08 19:25 All fantastic points.

 

JamesWill68 14/08 19:25 Encourages growth that are important to the submissive

 

little dragon 14/08 19:25 Learns the submissive cues

 

Wryth 14/08 19:25 Patience, Care, Respect, Responsibility

 

desphiria 14/08 19:25 Dependable?

 

Ms Monster 14/08 19:25 Was the female character a poor submissive, in anyone's opinion?

 

Wryth 14/08 19:25 consistent

 

Lionheartedsub 14/08 19:26 She wasn't open about her concerns

 

Wryth 14/08 19:26 she could have worked a little harder, to understand her own needs and choices

 

Myella 14/08 19:27 I would say a little but she really didn't know any better. He was suppose to guide her, and didn't. It was about his need for control, and she didn't like that, so faught against him.

 

supple canvas 14/08 19:27 (May I enter?)

 

desphiria 14/08 19:27 Uhm? I don't even think she was. I mean she was suppoed to be but it feels like she was just a young girl who got trapped and tried to do something she didn't understand to please him.

 

KnightProtector 14/08 19:27 supple canvas You may

 

JamesWill68 14/08 19:27 supple canvas of course

 

little dragon 14/08 19:27 She agreed to everything without knowing what she was getting into

 

supple canvas 14/08 19:27 (Thank you)

 

Myella 14/08 19:28 She did basic research, but not enough. Didn't seek out anyone who was in that lifestyle and took everything at face value.

 

Lionheartedsub 14/08 19:28 Not much to say since either if them followed the Lifestyle at all

 

Ms Monster 14/08 19:29 I believe she had a lot of room for improvement. She was weak willed and also did not communicate in an appropriate fashion. She went along with things that were beyond her limits and never bothered to educate herself on the lifestyle.

 

Lionheartedsub 14/08 19:29 Didn't

 

Serrian 14/08 19:30 Are there any positive media representations? For this, I want to focus on film/tv/visual media. We'll be delving into literature and written work soon.

 

desphiria 14/08 19:31 I heard a movie called the secretary was good and kind of displayed it but, i never saw it

 

Lionheartedsub 14/08 19:32 Garden if Eden while set in unrealistic setting the protrayal of the attitude was there

 

Lionheartedsub 14/08 19:32 Of*

 

Ms Monster 14/08 19:32 Secretary is one of the better media representations of the BDSM community, though it is not without its faults. Even so, I would say that overall, it reflects a positive light on our community.

 

Ms Monster 14/08 19:33 It is also a movie that I quite enjoy.

 

JamesWill68 14/08 19:33 Some tv shows have lightly touched upon positive aspects of the lifestyle but not entirely focused on it

 

Ms Monster 14/08 19:33 I think they did a fantastic job of not making BDSM all about kinky sex, which it really is not.

 

JamesWill68 14/08 19:34 CSI vegas

 

Serrian 14/08 19:34 Secretary is certainly a more realistic look and seems to convey emotional struggles in a much better way. But, as Ms Monster said, I feel it still has its problems.

 

Serrian 14/08 19:35 Alright, we've spent a little more time on this topic than intended. Any final thoughts before we move on?

 

supple canvas 14/08 19:35 It definitely has its problems. For instance, him taking on a girl with such current fresh mental trauma that she's cutting herself. I think if they were going that route (because it isn't unheard of that BDSM can help emotional trauma obviously) they should've focused on it more and elongated the film.

 

supple canvas 14/08 19:35 Sorry. Done. Lol

 

Ms Monster 14/08 19:36 supple canvas That is one of the major issues of the film... and can be discussed at length... enough so to make it it's own topic... *ponders*

 

Serrian 14/08 19:36 supple canvas you're good, and an excellent point

 

supple canvas 14/08 19:37 Yes, I think it would be a great topic. I choose to stop because it could go on for essays. Thanks both of you.

 

supple canvas 14/08 19:37 chose*

 

JamesWill68 14/08 19:38 supple canvas you voluntering to write some? Lol

 

Serrian 14/08 19:38 Okay, so in favor of time, we'll need to move on. Next is literature and erotica (excluding the 50 shades debacle now). Does anyone have any examples of poor representations of BDSM?

 

supple canvas 14/08 19:38 Not at all. Just not a bad idea for one.

 

Serrian 14/08 19:39 We're not looking to call out authors or story names, so feel free to sumarize what you read and tell why you feel it is negative.

 

supple canvas 14/08 19:40 There are too many. My my...hmmm. They mostly deal with rich men and I personally feel like they add that detail not only to make it easier for them to see women off of their feet and give fantasy to readers but also because the books done have enough substance.

 

supple canvas 14/08 19:41 I feel like a truly experienced writer wouldn't need the money aspect. There are so many more real people that are not affluent that are part of the actual community.

 

JamesWill68 14/08 19:41 Narcissist Dominants

 

Ms Monster 14/08 19:41 supple canvas That is another excellent point. Personally, I fail to see what money and wealth have to do with BDSM at all.

 

supple canvas 14/08 19:41 sweep*

 

JamesWill68 14/08 19:41 Doormat submissives

 

supple canvas 14/08 19:42 ^ touche

 

little dragon 14/08 19:42 More control

 

Ms Monster 14/08 19:42 JamesWill68 Those are fantastic points.

 

Lionheartedsub 14/08 19:43 Must admit I don't read many bdsm writings I find they leave unrealistic expectations

 

Myella 14/08 19:43 I see alot of books on sites that their blurb is about being an *Alpha* type male and wants a particular woman and doesn't care if they want to be theirs or not, they want to control them, etc.

 

supple canvas 14/08 19:43 Yes the submissives always seem a certain type of naive. I would like to see one that had a woman who knew BDSM existed even if she wasn't well versed. I feel like they always make the female submissives this deer caught in headlights.

 

supple canvas 14/08 19:43 Myella Yes

 

desphiria 14/08 19:43 I don't read any because I don't know any. XS Except like story of o but I heard about it more than read it. The bdsm ones I read are always about spanking.

 

JamesWill68 14/08 19:44 Personally i feel they promote a very unhealthy view that is then mimicked in many chat sites.

 

Ms Monster 14/08 19:44 Myella That is a particularly toxic viewpoint of the BDSM community. A healthy lifestyle encourages limits and consent.

 

Serrian 14/08 19:44 I think the money thing is twofold. Control is part of it, but there's also an appeal for readers from both sides. "I wish I was that rich to attract pretty subbies" and, from the other side, "I wish I had a strong Dominant that was rich enough to support me".

 

Myella 14/08 19:44 I have that book.

 

JamesWill68 14/08 19:44 supple canvas excellent point

 

supple canvas 14/08 19:44 Serrian Indeed

 

little dragon 14/08 19:44 I like the ones where the author is actually part of the community

 

Wryth 14/08 19:44 yes, they exagerate gender role stereotypes

 

JamesWill68 14/08 19:44 Serrian very true

 

supple canvas 14/08 19:45 JamesWill68 Thanks. Same to you.

 

Serrian 14/08 19:45 Any other negative trends come to mind?

 

Myella 14/08 19:45 Sorry, but those books are just a glorified wankfest, and does not support a healthy lifestyle at all.

 

Lionheartedsub 14/08 19:45 Don't know of any with male submissive male submissives get negatin

 

Myella 14/08 19:46 I feel it gives people the wrong idea, and then they think that's what it's supposed to be like, when it's not.

 

JamesWill68 14/08 19:46 The sleeping beauty series comes to mind

 

Myella 14/08 19:46 I have read, those, too.

 

Lionheartedsub 14/08 19:46 Negative stereo type even within the Lifestyle

 

desphiria 14/08 19:46 OH! I know a bad book, kind of.....? Maybe...

 

desphiria 14/08 19:46 Or maybe it's not bad, hmm.... nevermind.

 

supple canvas 14/08 19:46 desphiria Go for it.

 

Serrian 14/08 19:47 The big one that pops in my mind is the idea of "to be a Dominant, you have to treat people like shit". I have a very hard time even reading a story or novel where the person i'm supposed to be identifying with couldn't possibly have made it to adulthood without getting his ass beat repeatedly for being the worst kind of douche 24/7.

 

desphiria 14/08 19:47 Well, I was gonna say the Gor books.

 

desphiria 14/08 19:47 But like, I don't know.

 

supple canvas 14/08 19:47 Serrian *laughs audibly* Too true. *air five*

 

supple canvas 14/08 19:48 desphiria You're allowed your opinions. It's a discussion.

 

Myella 14/08 19:48 Never heard of those. Hmmm.

 

Ms Monster 14/08 19:48 desphiria Gor is not actually BDSM, but it's own unique lifestyle. However, a lot of folks do associate Gor with BDSM and that could possibly shine a negative light on our lifestyle from those not terribly knowledgeable about either. Particularly from those more interested in gender and equality issues.

 

supple canvas 14/08 19:49 Ms Monster *nods* Nice distinction.

 

Ms Monster 14/08 19:49 I am certainly not saying Gor is bad. Just to clarify. However, those who are not knowledgeable regarding either lifestyle may jump to conclusions that they are one in the same.

 

Ms Monster 14/08 19:49 supple canvas Thank you!

 

desphiria 14/08 19:49 Yeah, it gets kind of confusing but, I know what you mean.

 

Myella 14/08 19:50 Blurred lines become a problem

 

Serrian 14/08 19:50 Does anyone have any examples of good or healthy depictions of BDSM in literature or erotica?

 

desphiria 14/08 19:50 The story of O and that book, that guest who came here wrote. Uh... what was it called again?

 

desphiria 14/08 19:51 Her... something

 

desphiria 14/08 19:51 I still wanna read that

 

Wryth 14/08 19:51 ummm... my Pms

 

Master HidoiKaeru 14/08 19:51 the books of Teddy Ray

 

supple canvas 14/08 19:51 Serrian The rare moment when a Dominant refuses a heated passionate moment where the submissive is willing to go along with anything just because she's in love or attracted in a moment.

 

JamesWill68 14/08 19:51 Serrian a favorite book of mine is Devil in the Details by LT Morrison I thought was great

 

supple canvas 14/08 19:51 I said moment so many times just now.

 

desphiria 14/08 19:52 lol it happens

 

supple canvas 14/08 19:52 I'm totally writing these down. I need new things to read.

 

Ms Monster 14/08 19:52 I have a nice collection of short stories. Half are written from the submissive point of view, and the other, from a Dominant point of view. It is called Master/slave. Many of the stories there are positive reflections of real life BDSM and do fall prey to many of the negative stereotypes out there for either role.

 

Serrian 14/08 19:52 supple canvas you were in the moment for a moment. I can momentarily overlook your momentary oversight.

 

Lionheartedsub 14/08 19:52 Nice

 

Ms Monster 14/08 19:53 Master HidoiKaeru Wonderful examples!

 

JamesWill68 14/08 19:53 Diary of a submissive is very good

 

supple canvas 14/08 19:53 Serrian I momentarily thank thee.

 

Serrian 14/08 19:53 supple canvas I'm so glad we could share this moment.

 

Wryth 14/08 19:53 need to cut and paste

 

supple canvas 14/08 19:53 Serrian Here's to many future moments.

 

Serrian 14/08 19:54 Any other good or positive elements?

 

Master HidoiKaeru 14/08 19:54 Ms Monster i can't remember the titles at the moment but Teddy Rayes book are wonderful examples

 

JamesWill68 14/08 19:54 The book of fannie may is a good read and a classic

 

little dragon 14/08 19:54 Her minder, the chine

 

desphiria 14/08 19:55 Yes! That! Thanks little dragon

 

Master HidoiKaeru 14/08 19:55 little dragon yes thank you

 

little dragon 14/08 19:55 No problem loved her books

 

JamesWill68 14/08 19:56 Hill*

 

Lionheartedsub 14/08 19:56 Any titles about male submissive?

 

little dragon 14/08 19:56 Silver birch is the one she is currently writing

 

JamesWill68 14/08 19:56 newtree of course

 

newtree 14/08 19:56 KnightProtector Serrian JamesWill68 thanks You

 

Master HidoiKaeru 14/08 19:56 and all 3 of her books are the prize for the present writing contest here

 

desphiria 14/08 19:56 I actually have seen or heard of any books that are about male slaves.

 

Serrian 14/08 19:57 So, our final topic, that I know everyone will be super excited for... you guessed it (if you're a pervert like me) PORN.

 

little dragon 14/08 19:57 Master HidoiKaeru that's awesome but I suck at writing

 

desphiria 14/08 19:57 Oh maaan, they seem kind of good to me let me see, Cool Devices, uhh....

 

Ms Monster 14/08 19:57 A side note, for anyone interested in our BDSM writing Contest, here is the link with more information: http://www.themasque.net/efiction/viewpage.php?page=AutumnContest

 

desphiria 14/08 19:57 Dragon Pink

 

supple canvas 14/08 19:58 Clicking link to bookmark. Brb.

 

desphiria 14/08 19:58 There was another one i watched I can't remember now cause I haven't watched it in forever.... *goes to look for it*

 

Ms Monster 14/08 19:58 supple canvas I do hope you enter. You have some fantastic story ideas!

 

Ms Monster 14/08 20:00 I feel the vast majority of BDSM porn misses the mark by quite a bit. I tend to avoid it, myself as it usually just pisses me off. I kinda end up just wanting to yell at the actors. 

 

supple canvas 14/08 20:00 Ms Monster I'll try.... My....(dun dun dun!) 30th birthday is October 3rd right before the due date. Getting busy already planning.

 

supple canvas 14/08 20:00 And thanks. Really.

 

Ms Monster 14/08 20:01 supple canvas My pleasure!

 

desphiria 14/08 20:01 Huh, can't find it.

 

KnightProtector 14/08 20:01 supple canvas birthday spanks perhaps?

 

desphiria 14/08 20:01 I watch hentais cause real porn looks so fake to me.

 

Lionheartedsub 14/08 20:01 *sits quiet never watched bdsm porn*

 

supple canvas 14/08 20:01 Porn. I think I've avoided BDSM specific porn for so long because a lot of it is just gaaaarbage. But I'm definitely paying attention to suggestions. lol

 

supple canvas 14/08 20:02 KnightProtector We can only hope!

 

JamesWill68 14/08 20:02 Ms Monster there are some you can get ideas from but as a how to i wouldnt know what to suggest

 

Serrian 14/08 20:02 Anyone have any example of negative or damaging practices in "BDSM" porn?

 

JamesWill68 14/08 20:03 Xruniversity.com is a very good informative site that utilizes video primarily

 

KnightProtector 14/08 20:03 supple canvas well i hope you get double

 

supple canvas 14/08 20:03 Serrian Uhhh. Cleanliness. Not that other porn often involves it. Lol

 

JamesWill68 14/08 20:03 Serrian they dont show aftercare after scenes

 

supple canvas 14/08 20:04 KnightProtector I need to be able to sit on a plane. The stewardesses yell if you're up fanning your bottom when the seatbelt light is on.

 

Lionheartedsub 14/08 20:04 *chuckles*

 

Ms Monster 14/08 20:05 I just find that BDSM porn is unrealistic and glorifies the sex aspect. Sure, most of us do incorporate sex into play, but at it's foundation, the BDSM community is about a lot more than that. Folks can get the wrong idea and just assume it about kinky sex with no real substance or lifestyle invoved.

 

KnightProtector 14/08 20:05 supple canvas take a private plan, and be spanked the whole way

 

supple canvas 14/08 20:05 Ms Monster Preach.

 

little dragon 14/08 20:05 I've never watched it soo......

 

Ms Monster 14/08 20:06 How do our real life experiences and knowledge compare to the reality of the BDSM community?

 

Ms Monster 14/08 20:07 Pardon me, to the fantasy of the BDSM community?

 

Myella 14/08 20:07 I certainly learned a lot tonight. Thank you everyone.

 

little dragon 14/08 20:07 Totally different

 

Ms Monster 14/08 20:08 little dragon I would agree.

 

little dragon 14/08 20:08 We are more balanced

 

Ms Monster 14/08 20:09 My own experiences with BDSM are very different from what is portrayed for entertainment. There is so much more concern placed on knowledge and consent prior to real world experience.

 

Ms Monster 14/08 20:09 Myella I am very glad!

 

Lionheartedsub 14/08 20:09 I find the stereo type of a Mistress dressed up in corset, thigh high boots waving a flogger distasteful compared to real life it just not real

 

supple canvas 14/08 20:10 Ms Monster I believe with fantasy you have the option of omitting the reality of uncomfortable moments, realistic emotional experiences and pauses/growth moments (moments moments moments). One can skip over the details that actually bring connectedness and just read/watch/fantasize about the sex and smiles.

 

Ms Monster 14/08 20:11 Lionheartedsub Defintely true. Though dress up can be fun, I find that there is no standard uniform that does the trick.

 

JamesWill68 14/08 20:11 The emotional, mental and physical interactions are very real and not easily looked over like a fantasy

 

Lionheartedsub 14/08 20:11 It's natural power and Grace that draws myself to the flame

 

little dragon 14/08 20:11 Bdsm is very emotional media doesn't portray that

 

Ms Monster 14/08 20:12 supple canvas JamesWill68 Wonderful points! I agree wholeheartedly.

 

JamesWill68 14/08 20:12 Helping a sub deal with a severe drop isnt covered in very many books

 

Myella 14/08 20:12 I think when people read, and they think it's BDSM, they don't question if it's accurate or not. They just want that escape from reality. It scares me that some may use those bad examples as a guide book.

 

Ms Monster 14/08 20:12 JamesWill68 YES! Great point.

 

Ms Monster 14/08 20:12 It is very rare to see any aspect of aftercare or the issue of sub/Top drop addressed in any media.

 

JamesWill68 14/08 20:12 The enjoyment from a Master / slave is overlooked many times in erotica

 

supple canvas 14/08 20:13 JamesWill68 Yes. I feel like aftercare is barely announced in fantasy. Brushed over. I personally have never experienced it and this is why I am still researching to this day. That's a good point.

 

supple canvas 14/08 20:13 Ms Monster Precisely.

 

Ms Monster 14/08 20:13 Myella Indeed. Education is so important in this lifestyle.

 

KnightProtector 14/08 20:13 supple canvas aftercare can be a wonderful time

 

JamesWill68 14/08 20:14 How to properly check in on your submissive during a scene for safety and trust building

 

Lionheartedsub 14/08 20:14 Yes Ms Monster why I love these topic discussions

 

Ms Monster 14/08 20:14 Aftercare is an essential practice for both the Dominant and submissive.

 

JamesWill68 14/08 20:14 Myella so true

 

supple canvas 14/08 20:15 I'm starting to believe that not only submissives need it at times. I feel some Dominants need particular aftercare, possibly a different type. Both need a shower entry to reality after.

 

supple canvas 14/08 20:15 Slower* dang phone.

 

Myella 14/08 20:15 I'm sure they both need tha aftercare when the adrenaline leaves the system.

 

Lionheartedsub 14/08 20:15 Oh pre scene and prep can be intense as well great build up

 

JamesWill68 14/08 20:15 supple canvas supple canvas for Me aftercare for the submissive acts as Mine in a way

 

Ms Monster 14/08 20:15 supple canvas Dominants indeed do greatly benefit from the practice of aftercare.

 

Serrian 14/08 20:15 supple canvas don't we all need a shower entry? But yes, I have found myself in need of aftercare, even as a big, strong Dominant with big boy pants and everything.

 

supple canvas 14/08 20:16 Lionheartedsub Yes. I've witnessed scenes in the dungeon here. I like the prep build up. A lot I've noticed.

 

Ms Monster 14/08 20:16 I feel that the most harmful thing we see portrayed is generally the lack of effective communication.

 

supple canvas 14/08 20:16 Serrian I've slapped my phone. It's not submitting. I can't help it.

 

desphiria 14/08 20:17 I don't think communication is ever portrayed in fantasy.

 

Ms Monster 14/08 20:17 desphiria Sadly not.

 

Ms Monster 14/08 20:17 But it is the foundation of this lifestyle, all the same.

 

Myella 14/08 20:18 I need to leave for the evening, but I think I'll be back. I've enjoyed my time here tonight. *bows*

 

kissa 14/08 20:18 KnightProtector *purrs

 

Geisel 14/08 20:18 hello, kissa *cuddles her and pulls her into my lap*

 

JamesWill68 14/08 20:18 Myella take care have a good night

 

Serrian 14/08 20:18 Myella thank you for coming

 

Ms Monster 14/08 20:18 Myella Have a great evening. I hope to see you again soon!

 

supple canvas 14/08 20:18 Serrian Well, it's certainly not going to experience aftercare moments.

 

Myella 14/08 20:18 Thank you for everything, it's been informative, and eye opening.

 

kissa 14/08 20:18 Geisel *cuddles in* topic chat going on

 

Geisel 14/08 20:19 Oh?

 

Serrian 14/08 20:19 We're actually just finishing up. Does anyone have any closing thoughts they'd like to add?

 

Lionheartedsub 14/08 20:19 In my ritual of prepping it included items for me and the Dominant like two bottles of cold water and blankets and pillows and we would curls up and talk for aftercare

 

Ms Monster 14/08 20:19 Geisel Yes. BDSM Fantasy VS Reality. We are about to close for the evening, unless folks have more talking points they would like to cover.

 

Geisel 14/08 20:20 *smiles and listens*

 

supple canvas 14/08 20:20 I'll be back in a bit. I need to shower and meal prep for tomorrow.

 

Ms Monster 14/08 20:20 supple canvas See you soon

 

JamesWill68 14/08 20:21 supple canvas take care

 

Serrian 14/08 20:21 supple canvas have a good one. Don't let that phone walk all over you.

 

supple canvas 14/08 20:21 Ms Monster Indeedy!

 

supple canvas 14/08 20:21 JamesWill68 You as well.

 

supple canvas 14/08 20:22 Serrian If it's walking, that is the least of my concerns.

 

supple canvas 14/08 20:22 Toodles

 

Ms Monster 14/08 20:22 Thank you to everyone for coming in to participate in tonight's discussion. You all had some awesome things to say and it is most appreciated. As usual, if anyone would like to continue discussing this topic at any time, folks are usually around to do so.

 

JamesWill68 14/08 20:23 Ms Monster thank you for hosting and guiding the discussion

 

Ms Monster 14/08 20:23 JamesWill68 My pleasure!

 

JamesWill68 14/08 20:23 Take care all

 

Ms Monster 14/08 20:24 JamesWill68 You as well.. Goodnight!

 

Lionheartedsub 14/08 20:24 Thank You Serrian and MsMonster really enjoyed the discussion

 

Ms Monster 14/08 20:24 Lionheartedsub I am very glad. Thank you for participating!

 

Serrian 14/08 20:24 Thank you all for being here!

 

little dragon 14/08 20:25 Thank you for doing topic

 

arella 14/08 20:25 may i please enter

 

Geisel 14/08 20:26 you may arella

 

Ms Monster 14/08 20:26 little dragon Thanks for participating!